This is a transcript from a tape of a talk
that V.L. gave regarding his 12 years at Area 51. V.L. is an upstanding
citizen, a gentleman and speaks the truth, this we assure you.
I spent from June of 1965 to August of 1977
directly on the Nevada Test Site, worked there full time. I was Radiation
- Health and Safety. Most of the time I worked there, I either worked for
Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, Lawrence Radiation Laboratory out of Livermore,
Berkeley rather, California or Sandia Corporation out of Albuquerque, New
Mexico. All those testing laboratories have since changed their names. Lawrence
Radiation Laboratory is now the Lawrence National Laboratory, they don’t
use the word radiation. In my job we had responsibility for and access to
all of the areas of the Nevada Test Site which encompasses about 1800 square
miles. It begins north of Las Vegas at Indian Springs where the bombing and
gunnery range starts and goes all the way to Beatty, Nevada. It’s an area
that has armed guards around it, surveillance devices, it’s a restricted
air space, you can’t fly over it. If you’re caught on it, things happen to
you. I had a top secret clearance and I think there probably wasn’t a square
mile of that test site that I haven’t been on or seen, part of which is Area
51. One of the things I’d like to tell you folks right now is that there’s
certain things that I cannot and will not talk about. When you quit out there,
quitting what used to be the Atomic Energy Commission, it’s now the Department
of Energy, it’s kind of like quitting the Central Intelligence Agency. You
never quit. They never let loose of you. There are certain things that I
saw and was part of that I will take to the grave with me without talking
about. However, there are a lot of things that I can talk about. And I think
the news media has titillated public interest in a very dishonest way because
95% of what’s at area 51 is totally uninteresting, it’s very mundane. The
federal government tests aircraft at Area 51 that they want to keep secret.
To give you an example, when I was out there, during the later years I was
out there, they tested the stealth fighter and the stealth bomber, the Blackbird,
SR-71 flew in and out of there on a weekly basis. The reason the government
uses Area 51 is because it has a 10 mile long runway, absolute secrecy, you
can’t see anything that’s worth seeing from the air or the ground. And that
hill that sits away from Area 51 where everybody goes up and looks, all they
can see... we used to sit there and look back at people and do this (wave)
because all you can see is administration buildings. That’s all you can see.
The government knows that people are out there looking into the area and
because of that a deliberate effort has been made that there’s absolutely
nothing to see right there. Now if you go a few miles north, there’s a lot
of things that people might want to see but never will. The Dept. of Energy
now has yearly tours on the test sight, once a year the families of employees,
that belong to certain classifications of workers, are allowed to take bus
tours through part of the test site. It’s a very small area that they let
people see, it’s Frenchman Flat, the flat where the old air bursts, where
atmospheric tests were performed. But you can’t get within 40 miles of Area
51. As I told Paul Strassels on the radio the other day, there were things
I saw and have seen in Area 51 that would make one wonder where they came
from. I’ve also seen things out there that violate most of the laws of physics.
My degree is in physics, and we , on a routine basis, used to observe...
because we worked at night, it was a 24 hour a day, 365 days a year operation
out there. And I worked all three shifts, graveyard, swing and days. I worked
at night a lot out there. I’ve seen things that most aircraft or no aircraft
that I know of could do, do. So the news reports that you hear are accurate
to the extent that someone is testing either weapons or various vehicles
that go through the atmosphere that use technology that we’re not really
in possession of. Now, if that sounds a bit odd, I would say this. The federal
government is afraid... in fact we had a whole division of public relations
people to feed the public information that was cleansed. The federal government
is afraid that if the population of the United States knew some of the things
that we have done and have seen and have found, people would panic. And
that’s all I can say about that. The other thing is that while we were testing
nuclear weapons out there, the last year I was out there, the last full
year I was out there, in ‘76, we had 53 or 54 underground nuclear weapons
tests. We announced 2 of them to the public. The reason for that was strictly
There was a ground swell movement to eliminate
nuclear weapons testing, the government didn’t want people thinking they
were hopelessly contaminating part of Nevada for all times, which they have,
it’s too late now, it poses no real threat to us, anyway. So they didn’t announce
those things. I use that as an example of part of which isn’t told to the
public. There was nuclear weapons testing I was involved in, I should hasten
to say that most of that was stockpile testing. We would take a nuclear device
out of stock pile and test it, see if it worked. It’s as simple as that.
Nuclear weapons tend to deteriorate when they sit around for periods of time.
Degrade is the term. We haven’t tested at the test site now since 1992. Probably
never will again. There’s a massive clean-up effort out there, that will
take a long time. As far as Area 51 goes, I have a lot of friends that work
at the test site, still. Area 51 is the most secured area in the United States.
Area 51 happens to sit in a place where, as I said, security has to be absolutely
tight because it’s nothing but desert, government public lands, it’s secured
public land. A lot of what goes on in Area 51 goes on at night so the Russian
satellites can’t see what’s going on. That’s why people from time to time
see things. It’s a fascinating place. If any of you have questions of me
I’ll either answer them or I won’t but I’ll tell you up front whether I can
tell you about it or not. I saw some things in Area 51 that, objects, that
were strange, didn’t seem to be something that, at the time, we had the capability
of manufacturing. I don’t know where they came from, I don’t know much about
them. But I saw what I saw with my eyes. I did ask, on 2 separate occasions,
one of caretakers, that’s what we called them, and I was told the first time
- don’t ask. Now, remember, I had to top secret clearance, I had a need to
know. Our group, 80 of us, could go anywhere. We could ask any questions
because of what we did. But that was one subject that I was told, don’t ask.
The second time I asked, I was warned that if I asked again, some rather
dire things might happen. So I never asked again. I’m familiar with the Roswell
incident in 1947 in New Mexico. I have every reason to believe that the federal
government found something there. I have every reason to believe the federal
government will never tell what they found there. We have so much paranoia
of humans, anyway, if there was any leak that some sort of life form had
visited this planet, the federal government is convinced that people would
panic and that anarchy might prevail for awhile. That’s about all I can say.
The government is telling people that they’re dismantling Area 51. I always
found that curious because there’s actually nothing to dismantle out there.
Everything that’s out there has been brought there from somewhere else. Right
next to Area 51 is the Nellis/Indian Springs AFB bombing and gunnery range
and that’s where all the armored experiments go on. So it’s all kind of part
of the same area. There were no nuclear weapons tests that were performed
in Area 51. That’s an area that has been kept pristine, for very good reasons,
mostly the other different parts of the test site have starting with Area
1 and ending with Area 26. Every area out there is numbered. Area 51 somehow
got a designation of 51. There is no 27 through 50. But somebody decided
to do that, it’s just like all of our nuclear weapons, they all have names.
Every one had a name. That name was a code as to what size it was. The largest,
I can say this without fear, the largest underground weapon I ever participated
in was a five and a half megaton device, buried 5500 hundred feet below the
desert floor, that we set off. That’s equivalent of 5 and a half million
tons of TNT. And that was the biggest device ever exploded in the United
States. A larger device than that exploded underneath Amchitka Island (?)
in Alaska some years later. There was a nuclear device set off in Hattiesburg,
Mississippi, I don’t know how many of you people knew that, that was done
in the 60’s. We’ve had a number of accidents out at the test site the public
never knew about. I’m not really at liberty to talk about that except it
may be interesting for you to know that I now live in South Dakota, I don’t
live in Nevada anymore. And I will never live in Nevada. I personally have
2 body burdens of plutonium 39 in me and if I live long enough and become
old enough, I will die of bone cancer. But I’m not worried about that because
I knew what the risk was when I got into the business. A lot of the friends
and people I worked with are dead now. It’s a very risky, it’s a very high
hazardous job. Nuclear weapons are something that are, well, there are so
many of them that... the hazard that a nuclear weaponry poses isn’t blasting
people off the face of the earth. We could have a war with Russia and they
could have one with us and China and everybody could get involved in it,
it still wouldn’t wipe out the human race. The problem comes after the bomb
goes off because of what’s called fission products. And that’s the contamination
that ensues. It’s getting to be a real big problem because of the reactors,
the fire reactors create of fission products and debris that we’re having
a hard time figuring out what to do with. Probably most of that debris and
waste will end up at the Nevada test site and that will be an area that for
thousands and hundreds of thousands of years, no one will never be able to
live there or, it will be a closed area. We’re developing the technology
now, and I don’t mind talking about it because Popular Science came awfully
close to the truth here a few months ago in one of their issues and I don’t
think they even knew it. The Air Force in cooperation with the Department
of Defense is developing an aircraft now that will go in speeds in excess
of speeds of 10,000 mph which is almost fast enough to achieve orbit without
boosters. And that is a nuclear powered thrust system. Whether or not that
will ever become public or not, it’s hard to tell, because nuclear engines
are very dirty. Very dirty. The only other things I can tell you about Area
51 is that there will never, in our life times, be any information let out
about some of the things that are out there. I will say that it has become
a storage area for oddities. That’s where, other than Kirkland Air Force
Base, the Roswell debris was supposedly taken. All I can say is sometime,
during my tenure at the Nevada Test Site, there was debris from Roswell,
New Mexico stored away at Area 51. I was lucky enough or unlucky enough to
see some of it. I don’t take any pleasure in that knowledge because it puts
a constrain on me I don’t like to have.
Question: Could you describe what you saw
concerning the Roswell debris?
Answer: No. I’ll tell you why, folks. I don’t
know if any of you have been to Leavenworth, Kansas or not but that’s where
the federal prison is. It’s hot, it’s humid and I have no desire whatsoever
to go. I still have a real, legitimate respect for the Department of Defense
security. When you leave out there they debrief you. And the debriefing lasted
quite a few hours, the better part of a day and the bottom line was - don’t
talk or else. That was the bottom line. And they gave you a list of things
not to talk about. I have not violated any of those this afternoon. Since
I left out there, I don’t believe I ever have. I’m very careful about it.
Question: I lived near an Air Force base
and I used to see unusual things flying about. Are these things terrestrial
Answer: Well, a group of fellows and I were on
our way to work one night to the test site. We saw something that to this
day.....this was an aircraft of some sort, aircraft being defined as an
object in the atmosphere that is moving around. There were 6 of us, we were
all trained observers, we were not the type of people who see things go bump
in the night, I’m pretty skeptical about things, generally. That aircraft
that we saw land, which was next to the test site, did some things that with
the technology we had then and probably with the technology we have now,
were impossible to do. We saw it, I saw it, the 5 other fellows with me,
we stopped the car and got out and watched it for 15-20 minutes. I have no
idea what it was. I had access to and was privy to a lot of classified information,
for instance, the SR-71 was a common place aircraft to us and yet the general
public knew nothing about it. But it came in and went and it made a lot of
noise, that’s the only thing I didn’t like about it. It came in hot and it
left hot. It came in over the speed of sound and it left at the speed of
sound. So it was always making this horrible noise. That was a very common
thing to see. Some of the other things I saw were uncommon.
Question: Who’s the boss, how did you get
Answer: That was a mundane process. I went out
Question: Was it the Department of Defense?
Answer: At the time it was the Atomic Energy Commission
when I was hired. And then it became the Energy Research and Development
Administration and then it became Department of Energy, the government keeps
changing the name. I was there during the visit of two presidents of the
United States, Lyndon Johnson was one of them, Gerald Ford was the other
one. Neither one of them were shown certain things. The President does not
have Top Secret Clearance.
Question: Do you agree or disagree with
Answer: That’s a tough one. We live in a republic,
a democratic republic, supposedly. I don’t trust most politicians, however,
not because they’re dishonest, necessarily. Nuclear weapons are a very terrible
thing. I’m ambivalent about it. I don’t know. The time when Lyndon Johnson
came out there we tracked him through an area that was hot, none of us had
anti-contamination clothing on, we had no instruments, we were dressed just
like this, we let him walk through a contaminated area because it wasn’t
supposed to be contaminated. That’s all I can say about that.
Question: These things you can’t talk about,
in your opinion, do you feel it would cause mass hysteria? You seem calm.
Answer: No, it doesn’t bother me, I have this
belief. We have already been to the moon, okay? Big deal. It’s not going
to be too many more years until humans will be to Mars and beyond. It’s a
matter of propulsion systems, it’s a matter of getting people to the point
where they can live in space for long periods of time, either suspended animation
or whatever, so they don’t come apart, mentally or physically. We have the
technology to literally explore the solar system right now, the planets
that are in the vicinity of us. And so it’s not a big thing. It doesn’t
take much of a leap, quantum physics tells you accurately that the speed
of light is not a speed which beyond is you cannot go. That old theory is
gone. Quantum physics says that you may go faster than the speed of light.
If that’s true, which it is, then travel to the nearest stars is possible.
If we, who are barely out of the primeval mud as beings can do this, it
doesn’t take much, it’s very logical to assume that there are other life
forms out there somewhere. We’re not unique. Good Lord, if we are, it’s
not much of a testimony is it? There are other life forms, certainly....nothing
that I saw surprised me. What surprises me is the government’s paranoia
about what the government knows. Consider the fact that the federal government
won’t even tell you the truth about the budget process let alone anything
Question: There are some who believe we
are already on Mars.
Answer: Well, I don’t think so.
Question: Go back to the question who’s
Answer: Well, during the time I was out there,
one of the bosses was Edward Teller. Edward Teller is the father of the hydrogen
bomb. He worked for Lawrence Radiation Laboratory, he’s still alive and he’s
as close to being a God in the scientific community and the nuclear weapons
community as anybody on this earth. Edward Teller was held in far higher
esteem than the President or anybody else. Might be interesting to note and
this is not classified, during the time I was out there, the Soviet Union
had an exchange program with us. It was not unusual to see Soviet scientists
out at the test site on a regular basis. We shared a lot of information
with them. I came to the conclusion, having talked to a lot of them over
the years, that they were really not our enemies anywhere near to what the
politicians wanted you to believe they were. We showed them... I showed
them things that I couldn’t believe we were showing people from the Soviet
Union. And I asked about that and was told that we had an exchange program
and they were able to see things and become aware of things that I certainly
wouldn’t have shown them.
Question: Did they see certain things that
you couldn’t see?
Answer: No, they couldn’t go to Area 51.
Question: Why were we told they were so
Answer: It’s always helpful to a nation to have
Question: Between Teller and Oppenheimer,
what’s your opinion about Oppenheimer......
Answer: Openheimer was railroaded, he was ruined
because of the paranoia that was going on during that time. Robert Oppenheimer
to me was a hero in the scientific community and the man’s life was ruined
because of paranoia.
Question: Teller was kind of a political
Answer: Edward Teller was the kind of man that
would have been loyal to Adolph Hitler or to whoever was the boss, so to
speak. I didn’t like the man, I still don’t like the man. He’s arrogant, he
was totally unsympathetic to radiation health and safety, he was totally unsympathetic
to people’s lives and he still is.
Question: I was noticing your medical ID
bracelet, is that related to your work?
Answer: I have MS, I also have degeneration of
the retina. It’s probably... the exposure I got, the radio isotopes I have
in me, it’s very probable that my medical conditions are because of what
I did. But I want to add, I knew what I was doing, I was paid very well for
it and I have no regrets.
Question: This is a stupid question but
when they exploded that 5 and a half million ton bomb underground, didn’t
that make a tremendous noise?
Answer: That was called Box Car, the name of that
device was called Box Car. I don’t know how they name those things, they
all have these strange names. I was on that test. I was assigned to it. When
Box Car was detonated, it was 5500 feet under the surface, 5 and a half million
tons of TNT equivalent, a device the size of...that log right there. Maybe
a little shorter. Ground zero lifted 400 feet for a half a mile radius straight
up in the air. And then came back down. What happened then underground would
be, small or large, is a cavern is created at the point where the weapon
was detonated, of various sizes depending on the size of the weapon. And
then the ground starts to slough in all the way to the top, sometimes, Box
Car didn’t because it was too deep, and you have a crater on top. If you
were to fly over the Nevada Test Site, it looks just exactly like the moon.
Precisely like the surface of the moon. There’s hundreds of craters. To give
you an example, one device that was set off right after I got out there,
in 1966, actually came out of the ground, on purpose. 6.9 million cubic yards
of dirt came out of the ground, created a crater, in less than 2 seconds.
That’s a crater a quarter of a mile across and 500 feet deep.
Answer: Yes, that’s Hattiesburg, Miss. At one
point we had a project out there called Operation Plow Share. Operation Plow
Share was designed to create weapons that were capable digging another canal
across the isthmus of Panama. So we dug a canal out at the test site. It’s
about a mile long, a hundred yards wide and it’s probably 400 feet deep.
We used 5 nuclear weapons buried at shallow depths to create this ditch,
instant ditch, that’s what we used to call it. It was Operation Buggy. And
not surprisingly, the people of Panama took exception to us wanting to do
that so we never did it. But we tested it. That was very popular in the 60’s,
we thought we could use nuclear weapons to do industrial things. But we never
could get them clean enough, we got them pretty clean but not clean enough.
The clean weapon is a neutron bomb. The neutron bomb could be set off up
here, 3-4 thousand feet up, we’d all die, the grass is OK, the trees are
OK, the cars are OK but we are water bearing creatures and we would absorb
so many neutrons that we’d be dead, instantly. The neutron bomb is in place,
most of our intercontinental ballistic missiles have neutron bombs. While
I was at the test site, Jimmy Carter promised us that... now I happen to
be a registered democrat, so I’m not beating up on a democrat here, Jimmy
Carter promised during the campaign of ‘76 that if elected President he would
never, ever test the neutron bomb or deploy it. What the American people
didn’t know was that we’d already tested it. And right after he became President,
in the next 4 years, we deployed it all over the world. There’s no reason
to lie to people about that because the neutron bomb, if you have to have
a bomb, it’s a clean bomb. It doesn’t contaminate, hardly at all, it’s a
very efficient killing machine, yet the federal government chose to lie about
it. I don’t know why.
Question: Can you tell us how the chain
of command goes? I mean if it’s not the president who...
Answer: National Security Council, indirectly.
The National Security Council includes both the civilian and the military,
the National Security Council includes the Joints Chiefs of Staff. We’ve
come very close folks, a couple of times, to having a military takeover in
this country and I’m not one of those people who goes around saying these
things but that’s just a fact. The last one was when Clinton got elected,
we almost had a military takeover. The test site was locked down, that’s a
term they use, before we had a test they’d lock the site down. You couldn’t
go anywhere, for like 2-3 days. And if you were on the test you were locked
within a lock down area. After Clinton was elected president that November,
the test site was locked down and stayed locked down for 3 or 4 weeks. There
was no testing going on. There was some concern about the transference of
power during that time from the election to January 27 or whenever it was,
January 20th, the inauguration took place. There’s been some pretty scary
things happen. The only reason I knew about it is I worked out there. There
would be times when we’d be put on alert, security alert, for reasons that
were beyond me. There were times when things went the other way. Before we
set Box Car off, I called home that morning and told my wife to put a bowl
of water on the kitchen table, now this was 160 miles away, I lived in Las
Vegas. I said watch it, zero time is at 5 o’clock. I called from the test
site, everyone in Vegas knew, they stopped gambling during that time because
of the roll of the dice. Vegas shut the casinos down for a few minutes, just
the big ones. Box Car was so big, they had to say something about it, so at
zero time, after to detonation, about a minute to 2 minutes later, my wife
said that bowl of water sitting on the table splashed over and it actually
did fall off the table. And that was 160 miles away as a crow flies.
Answer: Everything that goes on at the Nevada
Test Site is on a need to know basis. There are 3 words that you will hear
over and over, every single working day you’re out there, everything is on
a need to know. I was going to bring my security badge with me and I forgot
it, I still have it. I had a top secret clearance with sigma’s on it. These
sigma’s denoted what informational areas I was privy to and one of those
areas was Area 51. I got it as a souvenir when I left, I talked the security
people into letting me have it. There are all kinds of people in government
that do not have the need to know of what’s going on out there, or at least
parts of what’s going on out there. And they’re not told. And that includes
the President. The problem right now in this country is that we don’t have
an enemy anymore, I only say that half facetiously, we’ll create one, one
of these days.
Question: I was wondering about your remarks
about Clinton, the National Security Council intelligence arm must be pretty
poor if they were concerned about the transfer of power to a man like Clinton
who has become such a puppet, it just doesn’t add up some how.
Answer: I don’t mean to sound sarcastic but the
term military intelligence is an oxymoron.
Question: Something about propulsion systems,
Answer: I can say this, anti-gravity devices exist,
where they came from, that’s another matter of speculation. They’re unwillingness
to talk about things like that within the government stems partly from human
nature. If you’re privy to some information that you hold dear, regardless
of what it is, we’re reluctant to share it with other people. That’s part
of the problem. The other part of the problem is holding on to the information
so it can be used militarily. We have become so used to having any enemy
in this country and the need to have any enemy, another nation state, that’s
it’s gotten pretty bad.
Question: What are your personal views
about the future?
Answer: President Eisenhower warned us about the
military industrial complex before he left office in 1960. I personally believe
that there’s a reason we moved to the Black Hills of South Dakota. Partially
because we’re at the top of the food chain here and the water chain. I like
to live in a place where the water isn’t going to be contaminated. I personally
feel that there’s a good chance, an excellent chance that there’s going to
be limited nuclear war in the next 5-6 years. And whether that escalates
into a global confrontation, who knows. But it’s going to happen just as
sure as I’m standing here. The temptation to use nuclear weapons is getting
more and more, tactical, not strategical nuclear weapons, the tactical nuclear
weapons. We spent a lot of time out there testing tactical nuclear weapons,
150 kilo tons, 150,000 tons of TNT and less. Small devices, devices that
paratroopers can jump out of planes, with them on their back. I can carry
one around in a suitcase and the problem with that is, nuclear devices have
become so small, so compact, so efficient, that if terrorists ever get their
hands on one, and it’s amazing that they haven’t, absolutely amazing, it’s
going to make this thing in Oklahoma City look like a walk in the park. Because
the first terrorist group that gets their hands on a nuclear device.....you
know we all used to say, well, China can’t do it because they can’t deliver
the weapons, that was a bunch of hog wash. You don’t need rockets to deliver
nuclear weapons, all you need is a suitcase, it’s that simple. I can give
you the address of a company in San Francisco that would be more than happy
to send you the blueprints for a nuclear weapon for $19.95.
Question: Something about crop circles.
Answer: You know, those crop circles are amazing,
I don’t know where they’re coming from. We had places out in Nevada, there
were no crops, it was sand and low bushes, with crop circles identical to
those at the test site.
Question: Were we responsible?
Answer: I can tell you one thing, at the test
site, it wasn’t some prank. In England some say it was some pranksters but
at the Nevada test site it wasn’t a prank. There are no pranks out there.
Question: No sense of humor?
Answer: You know what, actually there’s a lot
of people that work out there that do have a sense of humor. I have friend
who has a picture of himself sitting on a nuclear weapon smoking a joint.
Now if that were found out, he’d be in really big doggie do-do. But he’s
a guy that works for Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory in New Mexico.
Answer: You see, the insidious part about what
we call reality like radiation... we could be sitting here and right there
in that cooler could be a lethal radio isotope of say cedium? 137 or (something)
90 and you would never know it. Unless you had an instrument that detected
it or if there were enough of it to where you became sick and got radiation
sickness, and subsequently died. A lot of what we call reality, what we see,
we hear, we smell, we taste, we feel, isn’t quite the way we think it is.
From a physics point of view, there is no such thing as color. We’re all
sitting around here seeing colors that don’t exist. Light is electromagnetic
radiation and it’s colorless. Our brains interpret different wave lengths
of color through our optic nerve, what our minds call color, green jacket,
brown pants, there is no color there. Your brain is interpreting color, different
wave lengths and I call it green and I call it brown. We mostly all agree
on these things, generally speaking but we all see different things. There
is no color. So you have to stop and think about crazy things you see in
the sky at night that may or not be unexplainable. To someone else may be
very common, very explainable and very ordinary. I’m just about to walk over
the edge here... they may not be...if you were to see a person, you may not
recognize that person as someone you thought might live on the face of this
planet. And that’s all I’ll say about that, I swore to God I wasn’t going
to say that.
Answer: If a race of beings had the ability to
travel from Alpha Centaur to here, they would certainly have the ability
to camouflage themselves, either to where we couldn’t detect them or B. -
to look like us. We’re a diverse looking race of beings, they could look almost
like anything. There’s creatures on this planet that look pretty strange.
I have a healthy respect for and a fear of
my federal government. Because I’ve seen my federal government do some really
bad things to people. There were people out at the test site that were the
subjects of radiation experiments, I’ve seen them tie animals down in areas
that were going to be tested, we had a tower out there, it was called Bren
Tower, it was 1300 feet tall and at the top of that tower there was a reactor,
unshielded, small reactor and around the base of that tower for a half a
mile or so we would put experiments out, live experiments and see how much
radiation they could take. How much gamma radiation, how much beta, how many
neutrons they could absorb, these were animals.
Question: When we dropped the bomb in Japan
in 1945, we didn’t know what the after effects were going to be.
Answer: When we tested the first device in July
of 1945, the trinity device, in Alamogordo, New Mexico, the scientists didn’t
know for sure if that wouldn’t cause a never ending chain of reactions and
it would absolutely destroy the world. They knew they had x pounds of fissionable
material in that trinity device but they didn’t know if that would trigger
more reactions or not. They didn’t know what was going to happen. When they
dropped the Fat Boy and Little Man on those 2 Japanese cities, they had
all this experience of one device. And they dropped those very dirty devices
and the war ended. Personally, I happen to believe that was the thing to
do because I think a million or more Americans, soldiers would have died
and a lot of Japanese people would have died if we had invaded the homeland.
Something else, we have laser weapons now
that make nuclear weapons look pretty weak. We tested a lot a laser weaponry
out there when I was there in the 70’s, all kinds of laser weapons. Laser
weapons are far more selective. A nuclear weapon is just a great big bomb
that blows up and you have the radiation and the heat and the wind and all
that. They’re not as all destructive as people think they are. The new ones
aren’t as dirty as people think they are.
Answer: What I know about anti-gravity devices
I’m not at liberty to talk about. Area 51 does not deal with nuclear weaponry.
Physics, folks, is advancing in leaps and bounds, all technology is advancing
in leaps and bounds. One of the most dangerous things that’s happening to
the human race right now is we’re being left behind. I can’t even run my
son’s computer as well as he can and technology is going faster than our
ability to keep up with it. And when I say our ability, I’m not talking about
just us, I’m talking about the people that build it. We’re a couple of years
away from artificial intelligence, computerized, artificial intelligence
that has the ability to reason, to think, to comprehend existence. If you
stop and think about that, that’s pretty scary. It gets to the point where
maybe we become liabilities. When I was a youngster, Buck Rogers and all
that stuff was science fiction. And it’s advancing exponentially. My mother
who passed away a few years ago rode on a stage coach here in the Black
Hills. She also saw men walk on the moon. Now you take another 20 years
from now, and when I say it’s increasing exponentially, the graph of scientific
knowledge isn’t going up like this, it’s going straight up, practically.
We’re talking about now, this Area 51 thing, the government will hang on
until the last dog dies before they’ll tell you what’s going on out there.
Even after it becomes irrelevant anymore, even after it becomes where it’s
no secret. The government still won’t talk about the things that happened
in W.W.II, I’m not talking about nuclear things, I’m talking about the Philadelphia
Experiment, and I shouldn’t have even mentioned that. The government will
not talk about all kinds of things that they already know about.
Question: Something about all the TV programs
about UFO’s, government ready to tell.
Answer: It isn’t the government loosening up,
no. I have friends that work in government security. And they absolutely
gnash their teeth at the fact that all these things leak out constantly and
they lay awake at night trying to figure out ways to plug leaks.
I think I told you all what I could without
laying awake tonight wondering if I told you too much, I hope it was helpful.
The best thing you can do to keep the society as free and open as possible
is to make sure the politicians we elect to office don’t allow themselves
to be sucked into the vortex of secrecy that the government always wants
to have. And if you see anything flying around, believe your eyes, and believe
it isn’t a weather balloon, if the government says it’s something, it’s
pretty safe to disbelieve them.